eleccion de cuadro

[Piston]

que tal compañeros,
como ya sabeis vuelvo en un mes y medio y me gustaria llevarme un juguetito americano y barato que no esta la cosa pa nomad, por cerca que este.
He mirado estos cuadros que salen ambos a 800$ y me gustaria que me aconsejarais, ya que seguro estais mas puestos que el menda que lleva ya un rato sin escuchar de monturas. Los modelos son los Iron Horse 6 point y 7 point. Estoy ahi entre los dos. El uso que le voy a dar es enduro basturron por eso estoy valorando la 7 point. Pero es probable que se quede un poco larga para enduro, teniendo en cuenta que tambien me llevo pa ya, la de iron horse yakuza de descenso. Mi intencion seria montar el cuadro con los componentes de la Canyon, incluso la horquilla de 150. Asi que por favor, opinar y se aceptan sugerencias sobre otros cuadros posibles.

[mati]

Oh Gran Pistón!

Entre las 2 IronH, te recomendaría la 6point6, para lo que vas a hacer aquí a tu vuelta, que es beber birra, alguna que otra bajadilla enduro y rejbaihjar de vez en cuando.

Otro pepinillo que te recomiendo mires precio USA es la VERSUS BLITZ II, impresionante arquitectura de cuadro, 170mm montada en aire:

http://www.versuscycles.com/blitz_detail.html

1599$,unos 1240 lereles.

Esta versus es pistonuda, pistonuda.

[Aguela]

Pues lo mismo que Mati. La 6point6 con 3.300 kg. el cuadro y pivote virtual tiene pinta de ser un buen cacharro para hacer las rutitas de por aquí sin tener que penalizar de más en las subidas.
La 7 se ve más agresiva, y me temo que subir eso por lo morales no tiene que ser del todo "agradable".

[Iker]

Yo con un Versus de eso ahora mismo seria bastante feliz, incluso con un Banshee Chaparral.

[eL_DuRi]

Otro pepinillo que te recomiendo mires precio USA es la VERSUS BLITZ II, impresionante arquitectura de cuadro, 170mm montada en aire:

http://www.versuscycles.com/blitz_detail.html

1599$,unos 1240 lereles.

Esta versus es pistonuda, pistonuda.

Eso si es invertir bien el dinero, a mi juicio. Todas las formas y detalles bien cuidados. su buenos rodamientos de agujas. Todo construido con eficencia para que aguante bien el trote y el galope. Nunca habia oido de esta marca. Me mola.

Lo unico que no me queda claro es el uso de esta bici. Enduro o DH? Con esa construcción te tiras donde quieras. Peso?

Muy guapa sin duda!

[mati]

Lo unico que no me queda claro es el uso de esta bici. Enduro o DH? Con esa construcción te tiras donde quieras. Peso?

Muy guapa sin duda!

La Versus BLITZ II es también una marca emergente casi "de culto". Cocina gourmet.

Es un modelo de bici, para gente que viene de vuelta de todo. Aquí no prima la ligereza, pero si la calité por los 4 costados, soluciones efectivas y bien resueltas, calidad de pintura, estética, mecanizados... es un prodigio de dedicación CNC y soldadura artesana.

Su programa es el Enduro LT-Freeride light, igual que el que podría tener un Patriot o un Bullit.

El peso, lo normal en este tipo de bichos, unos 3.600-3.700gr, sin amortiguador.

Es la típica bici de enduro potente, que le puedes montar desde una FOX 36 TALAS y meterte rutas de distancia importante, hasta chutarle una doble pletina o singlecrown de 180-200 y tirarle a las maderitas en un park.

[eL_DuRi]

Si la bici que es crema se nota...

Muy interesantes esos enlaces mati, a ver si sueltas algunos mas de vez en cuando que me flipe jeje

[Piston]

Muchisimas gracias por las sugerencias. Realmente el cuadro que me pega es el 6 point.
La versus en un bombon, que no tiene un detalle que no guste y es un cuadro que tendre en cuenta. Por otro lado estoy tambien barajando largar la Canyon al completo por lo que sea y pillarme la 6 point 4 completa por 1500.
http://www.rscycle.com/2008-Iron-Horse-6-Point-4-All-Mountain?sc=19&category=55

Aunque ya sabeis como va esto, cuando te pones no tienes ni idea donde vas a acabar. Con una versus a tutiplen? quien sabe.

[Ignacio León Rodríguez-Padilla]

...y pillarme la 6 point 4 completa por 1500.

Joder, no viene nada, pero que nada mal montada por es precio, teniendo en cuenta que es en dolares, y al paso a euros te ahorras un pellizco (aunque ahora el margen sea minimo, una lastima).

[Aguela]

Muchisimas gracias por las sugerencias. Realmente el cuadro que me pega es el 6 point.
La versus en un bombon, que no tiene un detalle que no guste y es un cuadro que tendre en cuenta. Por otro lado estoy tambien barajando largar la Canyon al completo por lo que sea y pillarme la 6 point 4 completa por 1500.
http://www.rscycle.com/2008-Iron-Horse-6-Point-4-All-Mountain?sc=19&category=55

Aunque ya sabeis como va esto, cuando te pones no tienes ni idea donde vas a acabar. Con una versus a tutiplen? quien sabe.

Por ese precio, no lo pensaba....  del tirón!

Con 160+160+VPP creo que puedes hacer de todo.
La 55R es lo más aleatorio. Hay gente que le va de miedo, aunque alguna si se ha visto ya estropeada. Pero sin problemas, por aquí manejamos las 55 como si fueran clicks de famobil. Si consigues que te la cambien por una VAN 36 R con un pequeño sobreprecio haces ya el negocio redondo.

[mati]

¡¡ OJITO Fernando con IronHorse !! El dueño acaba de chapar la marca. Este año se veía sin Sam Hill ni la patente DW-Link. Parece ser que ha vendido todo el stock de bicis y piezas a "retailers" de menudeo, por eso tienen esos precios tan interesantes. Pero si hay problemas post-venta, la cosa se puede complicar.


Copio y pego lo que acabo de leer en el foro de mtbr.com:

* Canario, por si quieres seguir practicando tu "jominglish"

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 This is how it ended


I figured it was the right time to post this thread. First off, let it be known what I am about to say in this post is 100% true and can be backed up by articles released in many bicycle magazines as well as hands on experience. So I will also state that what I am saying here is not made up and I am leaving out many thing more things that would have you as a person and a rider disgusted .

Ironhorse is done. 100% . For those here who know who I am know this is true and I have not exaggerated this information at all. I kind of wish it was not true.

I was there on the last day at IH. The inventory was all sold. The parts, frames, and pivot kits were sold to a liquidater. I was there, I helped pack up the trucks. All the hard work that many of us put in to this company to succeed by purchasing pivot kits, links, frames, decals etc etc all sold for a measley amount. With the help of others, I had helped provide enough frames and parts for more than five years after the DW link license expired. All sold and the online retailer has NOTHING. Ironhorse was ruined by an incompetent owner as well as shady business deals where the company as a whole lost money but the greedy ones made money.

While at IH, I worked with up to 35 people to have each week people be let go for unnamed reasons. I had my health insurance contribution cut dramatically out of nowhere and it was not during an enrollment peroid. It was so someone could pocket more cash.. I wish IH went down because of the economy but it didn't. Yes of course there is cuts at any business during times but I would be OK with that as long as peoples family members were not on the payroll that never worked for us. I would be OK with that if inventory was not transferred to an online company at no cost. but it wasn't. My only thing was IH and the online retailer are owned by the same owners. The things I saw how bikes were being credited that were never paid for.

I am a bicycle mechanic as well and i work for an IBD. I support IBD's not online retailers that don't care about the sport only to capitalize by illegal gains. The online retailer claims to have 100% customers service but in reality it was IH customer service who sent out all the parts. Any little complaint by an online customer putting pedals on the wrong way was covered by IH not the online retailer. As many claims that were put down b/c they are not valid, they were still shipped. We would be charged by the online retailer for shipping damage not UPS. When I saw a post here that " we hope to be your online retailer for bicycles" I was sick. I do understand getting a good price, how could you complain but when IH had IBD's and the online retailer was selling bikes for less than IH was paying for them you see my reaction. You should understand that these small IBD's are the bike industry not online. How about this one. I am an IBD I pay $1400 from IH at my costt price and then the online retailer has it for $1000. How could that be. Its b/c when product is free, you can sell it at any cost.

Also, IH has there recall issues that are not known about b/c each time i tried to have a recall issued. I was ignored, almost lost my job. Here are some of the recalls that should be know about:

IH Maverick Full Suspension frames from 2006-2008 will all break b/c of a weak brace.

IH MKIII 2007 rear swingarms will all crack due to incorrect welding at the factory.

Please help and call the CPSC if you had this issue. http://www.cpsc.gov/about/contact.html


There is no Iron horse warranty on your bikes anymore. The online retailer may be able to break down some bikes to cover this up for a while but they have no pivots kits. They cannot order any frames from the factory anymore.

I read in Outdoor magazine that working at bicycle company was the 4th most enjoying job except at IH.

We had good people, we were bringing the brand back but greedy people did this to IH. From my understanding IH is bankrupt, they have no money, no nothing. There is no office. I had set it up to support DW bikes after the license was over but someone needed money and from what i know about the price of what it was sold for, it was chump change .

I am not an angry employee but a person who believes this needs to be brought up to others to see how it is. I have a job that pays me better than IH so let that me known as well as I enjoy my job way more.

There are so many things I could write but let me end off on this, I cannot be sued for this since it is 100% true. I have documentation to back up all of my claims.

Cliff W. is the reason IH is not here anymore as well as the online retailer that has the "great deals". I am sure that will be over as well. There is no support for you and I apologize. All in All working at IH has helped me meet some really great people like Ska todd and some of you. I had my good times and working at a company like this has shown me who to work for and who not to.

I just figured you guys should know the truth and for those who know me please contact me by PM and leave my name off of this thread.

I am willing to answer any questions you have but if you have a warranty issue I recommend contacting that online retailer and see what speech they have for you already.

The Poster: Wolvesinwolvesclothing was a 100% right in all his post that were removed.

Its a shame someone wants to threaten lawsuits over the truth. Just remember if you want to sue, you have to go on the stand as well. I guess like father like son.

Sell your horse or ride till its dead but from my stand point, I gave my bikes away as well as anything that had to do with IH. I am fine with my direction in life but I am sad for others like an employee who worked for that man for 26 years and got nothing, no appreciation. At one point years ago IH took there pension plan and spent it without the employers knowing it.

Good luck and I hope this clears things up. I know the online retailer sponsors this thread and MTBR and moderators please contact me for confirmation of everything i have written. I can confirm everything and back it up. If this thread is removed, it is because MTBR wants to keep getting paid by a fraud online retailor. I hope this stays but if it doesn't I recommend getting a new bike as well as going to another forum due to the conflict of interests.


http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=495542

[Piston]

Si, ese es el rumor que corre ultimamente por internet. Vamos que Iron Horse va a desaparecer junto con la expiracion de su patente DW-link.
Comentarios posteriores, tanto de distribuidores como de otros cercanos a IH, dicen que lo que ha ocurrido es que el dueno (o la megacompania que gestiona a IH y otras marcas) ha vendido IH a otra empresa con el consiguiente despido de toda la plantilla. Si esto fuera asi, la marca se mantendria y por lo tanto la nueva empresa asumiria garantias y repuestos (o no). Por eso dicen que ese comentario procede de un empleado despedido y cabreado.
Aun asi, estoy un poco acongojado con el tema.